Communication

Seth Godin – Meetings are a Festival to Avoid Responsibility

Summary:

In Episode #213 Ari welcomes [Seth Godin](http://www.sethgodin.com/), a man who needs no introduction. (Find his blog by typing “Seth G” into Google.) Seth’s a bestselling author, speaker, thinker and doer.

Listen as he and Ari talk about becoming more productive, why bigger isn’t better, and how to move past your fear and start _doing the work_.

Time Stamped Show Notes:

– 14:30 – Welcoming Seth to the show

– 15:41 – “Where we live is a state of mind”

– 17:40 – Eliminate meetings

– 19:30 – “Meetings are a festival to avoid responsibility”

– 21:10 – Don’t be busy to be busy

– 21:50 – “It can be entirely appropriate to be a meaningful specific”

– 23:00 – “Just because it’s important to you, doesn’t mean it should be on my agenda”

– 23:20 – Seth writes every day

– 24:50 – Writing forces you to have a point of view. That makes you meaningful.

– 25:50 – “A freelancer gets paid when she works. An entrepreneur builds a business bigger than herself”

– 27:00 – Seth is currently a freelancer – “I do all the work I get paid for”

– 27:40 – “You can’t do both at once…decide what you’re good at”

– 31:10 – “It doesn’t scale – so what? Bigger doesn’t have to be better”

– 33:10 – Seth sees his job as noticing and engaging with patterns

– 34:30 – “I’m always writing with my head and sometimes I’m writing with my fingers”

– 35:20 – Productivity tips help. But 90% is merely _doing the work_.

– 37:40– _Top 3 Tips to be More Effective:_

– Commit to ongoing education. Learn how to engage, connect, think and speak.

– Create a culture around you that reinforces the effectiveness you seek.

– Commit to strategy, not tactics. – [sethgodin.com](http://www.sethgodin.com)

Key Points:

1. Entrepreneurs create something bigger than themselves. Freelancers turn themselves into something big. You can’t be both at once.

2. _Do the work_. Write every day. Learn how to connect, engage, and make change happen. It’s as simple – simple, not easy – as that

3. Eliminate meetings. Communicate by email or one-on-one.

4. Look for truth, even when it’s difficult and frightening. Notice the world. Decide what kind of person you want to be.

Resources Mentioned: – [Enflux](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1850884998/enflux-smart-clothing-3d-workout-tracking-and-form?ref=producthunt)

– A suit that gives real-time feedback on your workout form – [Cola](http://cola.io/?ref=producthunt)

– A text app that lets you carry out tasks like surveys – in one message – [Video Slam](http://videoslamapp.com/?ref=producthunt)

– Make a movie from photos and videos in your camera roll – [Keezel](https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/keezel-online-freedom-for-every-device-everywhere#/)

– Access American web content when you’re out of the country – [The Leader](http://theleader.io/)

– Feedback on satisfaction and leadership – [If You’re A Real Grownup Minivans Are Cool](http://jalopnik.com/if-youre-a-real-grown-up-minivans-are-cooler-than-cros-1764226230?utm_source=nextdraft)

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Blake Eastman – The Nonverbal Group

**Summary:**

In Episode #196 Ari interviews [Blake Eastman](https://www.linkedin.com/in/beastman), the founder of [The Nonverbal Group](http://www.nonverbalgroup.com/)—a group of academics and professionals who are dedicated to conducting research on nonverbal communication.

Listen as Ari and Blake talk about building the largest database of human behavior.

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**Time Stamped Show Notes:**

– 16:00 – Introduction of Blake Eastman

– 16:28 – The nonverbal group started through frustration in the process of publishing academic research – was too slow and bureaucratic.

– 17:16 – First studies conducted in 2008 when the group set up a bunch of blind dates and observed them.

– 18:00 – Their goal is to create the largest database of human behavior.

– 19:23 – The average person has no concept of what they look like in a social situation.

– 20:19 – People are constantly regulating their behavior in social interactions which creates an incongruence from their subconscious.

– 21:18 – Blake’s group aims to remove some regulations instead of adding them. Getting an individual to be authentic is a hard step.

– 22:03 – Blake explains how self-dialogue hinders an individual’s ability to be present in a situation.

– 23:36 – Largest behavioral study ever, the group brought in poker players and recorded them from different angles – over two years they analyzed their behavior meticulously.

– 24:10 – The scientific model of grounding theory in large studies

– 27:07 – Offshore workers are more adept at keeping focus when counting monotonous things like blinks.

– 28:00 – The nonverbal group treats individual as their own puzzle instead of generalizing certain behaviors as universal.

– 30:02 – Blake finds that not holding back makes him a much better communicator. He’ll address behavior immediately.

– 32:38 – To lower anxiety during presentations, it’s prudent to treat it more like an interactive conversation.

– 34:49 – Blake describes his “Wizard Principle” to catch people’s attention during a presentation.

– 37:27 – It’s important to tailor your perspective to an audience during a presentation.

– 38:11 – Everyone overestimates how much other people pay attention to them.

– 39:51 – According to Blake, people should express themselves much more often.

– 40:23 – It’s good to have a mentality of “never put stuff down.” Finish what you start no matter how small.

** 3 Key Points:**

1. The Nonverbal Group is dedicated to building the largest human behavior database and sharing the academic findings in the future. They also offer classes to teach reading human body language.

2. Getting an individual to be their authentic self is probably the hardest step.

3. Generally, people overestimate how much other people pay attention to them, underestimate the value of their expressed thought, and don’t finish things that they don’t get right the first time.

**Resources Mentioned:**

– [Beyond Tells](https://beyondtells.com/)

– Creating a new breed of poker through tell training, research and analysis – [The Nonverbal Group](http://www.nonverbalgroup.com/about)

– Blake Eastman’s social science group – [Capitan](https://t.co/g01G56TY2X) – AI powered shopping list – [Solid](https://t.co/sfeuvolXG5)

– Automates Your Meetings To Get The Most Out Of Them – [Howdy](https://t.co/GFu4saQ8Bg)

– Your new digital coworker for Slack! – [ResumUP](https://t.co/ajUFJFTD8F)

– Website that converts your resume into an infographic – [Amino](https://t.co/xHxlDu3MhE)

– Make more confident decisions about your health care – [Neutun](https://t.co/IDo66F9pkB)

– Smartwatch app for tracking seizures – [Website](https://t.co/FX4BwTIGg9)

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Guillermo Miotti – LEGO Serious Play

# Summary:

In Episode #190 Ari interviews [Guillermo Miotti](https://www.linkedin.com/in/gmiotti) of LEGO Serious Play, a consultancy designed to help multinational businesses improve internal communications and processes through creative, LEGO-based problem solving exercises.

**Special Announcements:**

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**Time Stamped Show Notes:**

– 0:32- Introduction of [JustWorks](https://www.justworks.com/) and Isaac Oats

– 0:39 – Payroll is obviously complicated and scalable

– 0:55 – Payroll is unfair for smaller businesses

– 01:15 – What JustWorks does

– 01:35 – JustWorks is built to work with employees more so than contractors

– 06:40 – The Less Doing Mastermind program is no more

– 07:35 – Calvin App has finally gone LIVE

– 10:40 – Many soldiers are NOT ready to enter the job market

– 11:40 – LDVA has opened up the hiring—if you are looking for a new opportunity, or know someone who is, send an email to [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])

– 13:00 – LDVA.com

– 27:05 – Introduction of Guillermo Miotti of LEGO [Serious Play](http://www.seriousplay.com/)

– 27:36 – Guillermo’s background as a psychologist and HR Specialist in Argentina

– 28:28 – Quickly became a “change management” expert

– 29:45 – How LEGO determined LEGOs can be effective in the workplace

– 32:28 – Testing included bouts at MIT and NASA

– 33:12 – LEGO Education is a HUGE business unit

– 33:45 – It’s all about being OPEN to learning

– 34:00 – What a “play” session looks like

– 34:20 – Start by DEFINING the problem

– 35:35 – Ask a question, provide an answer, analyze the answer, reflect as a team

– 36:30 – When we are using our hands to play, 100% of our attention is on the task at hand

– 37:55 – LEGO Serious Play engages EVERYONE in the room, not just the traditional decision makers

– 39:40 – Our hands share an intimate neural connection with our brains

– 40:32 – The LEGO sets are specifically designed for customers and are _not_ available in stores

– 41:22 – Guillermo works (primarily) for multinationals

– 42:17 – If you OR your organization created the problem, you also have the capacity to solve it

– 42:45 – We don’t normally conceptualize in 3D

– 44:30 – Story_making_ (not telling) is undervalued

– 45:32 – Part of the beauty of the program is the simplicity of LEGOs

– 45:45 – Guillermo’s _Top 3 Tips to be More Effective_:

– 45:56 – Be aware of what drives you—what is your passion?

– 46:21 – Have fun—PLAY!

– 46:35 – Try to create something new with others

– 47:00 – [www.SeriousPlay.com](http://www.seriousplay.com/) and [www.juegoserio.com](http://www.juegoserio.com/)

**5 Key Points:**

1. Define your problems explicitly—if you don’t you can’t solve them.

2. Find beauty in simplicity.

3. “Get in there with your hands!”—our hands share serious neural connections with our brains, helping us to think more effectively.

4. Don’t just story_tell_, story_make_.

5. If you created a problem you also have the capacity to solve it.

**Resources Mentioned:**

– [The Less Doing WODcast](http://lessdoingwodcast.com/)

– A FULLY AUTOMATED daily workout routine brought to you for FREE by Dave Rael and Ari – Call 1-844-i-do-less – Toll-Free number, Press “0” to speak with a Less Doing Certified Coach – Text DOLESS – Text DOLESS to 33733 – [Washing Dishes for Mindfulness](http://read.feedly.com/html?url=http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12671-014-0360-9)

– Washing dishes by hand is the first — Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/lessdoing/message

Russel Brunson – Click Funnels

# Episode 179

**Summary:** In Episode #179 Ari – joined by special guest hosts Adam Hopper of the Less Doing Mastermind Group – interviews Russel Brunson of [DotComSecrets](http://dotcomsecrets.com/welcome) and the creator of [ClickFunnels](https://www.clickfunnels.com/). During their conversation, Russel talks entrepreneurship, team-management, and the importance of continual learning.

**Special Announcements:**

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**Time Stamped Show Notes:**

– 21:30 – Introduction of Russel Brunson from [DotComSecrets](http://dotcomsecrets.com/welcome) and [ClickFunnels](https://www.clickfunnels.com/)

– 22:48 – Russel shares his background

– 24:30 – Russel was never a great student—but he became obsessed with learning when he discovered it led to money

– 25:53 – Exploring a variety of crafts and services has made Russel a better marketer

– 28:50 – If you really believe in what you’re doing you’ve got to get out there and be aggressive

– 30:28 – The difference between an employee and an entrepreneur

– 32:26 — Your employees should be able to do 70% of your role at a minimum

– 33:20 – Talking about Click Funnels

– 34:30 – It took 10 months to take Click Funnels from an idea to a product

– 35:52 – You don’t need a blueprint to get started with a project

– 37:05 – Defining what the Click Funnels and DotComSecrets team(s) look like

– 38:12 – Russel’s favorite tools

– 41:10 – Learning from embarrassment

– 44:50 – You don’t need an amazing skill-set or product to make a living as an entrepreneur

– 45:30 – Ari is great at speaking, bad at selling

– 45:48 – Russel’s _Top 3 Tips to be More Effective_

– 46:10 – Understand sooner rather than later that you can’t do everything

– 47:00 – There are something you just have to figure out on your own

– 47:47 – Become good at modeling other people

– 48:46 – If there is someone that’s already doing something well, it doesn’t mean that you can’t do it—it means you can learn from them

– 50:05 – DotComSecrets.com

**7 Key Points:**

1. Find your motivation and build everything around that.

2. If you’re passionate about your business, you need to be highly aggressive.

3. 98% of your ideas are ultimately going to fail.

4. Ask yourself, _How do I give myself a raise? _every day.

5. Learn from your humiliation. Learn from your mistakes.

6. There are certain things you _need _to grasp yourself—outsourcing isn’t always the answer.

7. You will need help at some point. Don’t hesitate to ask for it.

**Resources Mentioned:**

– [CoBoat](http://www.coboat.org/?utm_content=buffercc4e1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)

– A floating (expensive) co-working space – [MoneyPenny](https://www.moneypenny.com/us/telephone-answering-service/) – A dedicated answering service – [Ignored Productivity Tips](http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/4-popular-productivity-tips-ignored/) – From Make Use Of, an article with some interesting ideas on improving productivity – [Life-Changing Tips for Sensitive People](http://www.marcandangel.com/2015/07/22/10-life-changing-tips)

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Andrea Loubier – Mailbird

Show Notes: Subscribe to the podcast on iTunes Also Check out Ari’s book “Less Doing, More Living” Get More Great Content at LessDoing.com Co-hosted by Dave Rael (raelyard.com) and Nick Sonnenberg (calvinapp.com)

**Episode 102** **Summary:** In Episode #102, Ari sits down for a conversation with budding entrepreneur Andrea Loubier, CEO of Mailbird to discuss the impressive growth of the successful PC-based email client, as well as the perks and pitfalls of email in general. ** **

**Time Stamped Show Notes:**

– 01:02 – Ari introduces two guest hosts: Dave Rael and Nick Sonnenberg

– 01:28 – Dave Rael introduces himself, Owner of [RaelYard.com](http://raelyard.com/)

– 01:50 – [Nick Sonnenberg](https://www.evernote.com/OutboundRedirect.action?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fnicholas-sonnenberg%2F13%2Fa34%2F4)introduces himself, CEO of[Calvin](https://www.evernote.com/OutboundRedirect.action?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.calvinapp.com%2F)

– 22:05 – Interview with Andrea Loubier opens

– 22:25 – Andrea explains_what_ Mailbird is

– 23:20 – Definition of what makes Mailbird _different_from similar applications

– 24:15 – Mailbird focuses on productivity and reaching “Inbox zero”

– 24:35 – The special features of Mailbird

– 25:07 – What is _Wingman_? What is the goal of_Wingman_?

– 28:41 – In what ways do people use email inefficiently?

– 29:09 – Some people let email dictate their daily workflow

– 30:40 – Andrea is an “inbox zero” kind of woman

– 31:00 – Mailbird is based in Bali

– 31:23 – How Mailbird ended up in Bali

– 33:28 – Andrea notes her love of working in Bali

– 34:12 – The rarity of a woman moving overseas and founding a business

– 35:25 – The entrepreneurial community of Bali

– 36:15 – [Startup Getaway](http://startupgetaway.co/), A co-living, co-working community space in Bali

– 37:19 – [Hubud](http://www.hubud.org/), [The Salty Volt](http://saltyvolt.com/), [Lineup Hub](http://lineuphub.co/), [Wave](http://www.wavebali.com/)

– 37:54 – The majority of the Mailbird team is based in Indonesia, but not necessarily in Bali. They also have team members in Copenhagen, Denmark

– 39:37 – What Andrea has learned from the hiccups of outsourcing work

– 41:40 – Andrea’s top 3 tips for people who want to be more effective:

– 41:56 – Chose the right tools, like a great email tool

– 42:39 – Network to a high degree

– 43:09 – Automate, automate, automate; try to automate as much as you can

– 44:15 –[www.GetMailBird.com](http://www.getmailbird.com/) and[Andrea Loubier](http://id.linkedin.com/pub/andrea-loubier/18/26b/870)

**7 Key Points:**

– Being “Inbox Zero” is vitally important to maximizing future productivity – Do not allow email to dictate or overwhelm your daily workflow – It is possible to successfully outsource a startup, but not without challenges – The entrepreneurial community of Bali isn’t budding, it’s _buzzing_ – Choosing the right tools can make all the difference in achieving success – Tactful networking is absolutely invaluable – Use technology to your advantage and automate as much as you can

**Resources Mentioned:**

– [Paint Zen](https://www.evernote.com/OutboundRedirect.action?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paintzen.com%2F)_ – _A company committed to improving the process of finding a trustworthy painter

– [Crowdvi.be](http://www.crowdvi.be/) – A useful way to engage the opinions of a specific group of people for research

– [AYTM](http://aytm.com/) – A company specializing in online market research

– [Humans Need Not Apply](https://www.evernote.com/OutboundRedirect.action?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7Pq-S557XQU) – A 15 minute YouTube video about the progression of automation…pretty much SkyNet meets the Matrix

– [AddApp.IO](https://www.evernote.com/OutboundRedirect.action?dest=https%3A%2F%2Faddapp.io%2F) – AddApp takes the data from monitoring devices (FitBit, MapMyRun, etc.), helps users understand the data and provides lifes — Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/lessdoing/message

David Allen – Getting Things Done

Show Notes: Subscribe to the podcast on [iTunes](https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/ari-meisel-less-doing/id605938952?mt=2) Also Check out Ari’s book “[Less Doing, More Living](http://www.lessdoingbook.com/)” Get More Great Content and Full Show Notes with Transcript at [LessDoing.com](http://www.lessdoing.com/)

# Episode 98 **Summary:** In Episode #98, Ari speaks at length with David Allen the creator of_Getting Things Done_, a time-management method crafted to help people maximize their personal and work-life performance. As they chat, David reveals how he manages everything from interruptions to his email inbox in an effort to keep his mind clear and stay ahead of the curve.

**Sponsored By:** [Zirtual](http://www.zirtual.com) – A virtual executive assistant service specially designed to match busy people with dedicated assistants

**Time Stamped Show Notes:**

– 19:12 – Introduction to David Allen

– 19:39 – What IS _Getting Things Done_?

– 20:39 – Creating the external brain

– 21:00 – Why is productivity difficult to obtain?

– 21:35 – The biggest obstacle is propensity for stress-addiction in the population

– 22:57 – David defines how the external mind works for him

– 23:53 – “_Your head is for **having** ideas, not **holding** them_”

– 26:03 – Two different parts of the brain evaluate the _outcome _and the _action_ to get there

– 28:49 – The importance of associating timing with certain tasks

– 31:00 – Context specific lists

– 33:52 – How David flips the switch and gets into “creativity mode”

– 34:50 – “_Passion is highly overrated_”

– 35:30 – Is there any concern about dehumanizing work?

– 39:32 – Embrace “inbox-zero”

– 42:35 – Review, scan and purge whether it’s paper or digital

– 43:25 – AquaNotes: A waterproof notepad Ari utilizes in the shower

– 47:20 – Reflection and review time is the most lacking and the most needed thing people should build in

– 48:35 – “_There are no interruptions, there are only mismanaged inputs_”

– 50:40 – Respond to every email within 24-48 hours, be responsive

– 54:54 – David’s take on outsourcing

– 60:14 – The principles of _Getting Things Done_ can be applied to all enterprises of life

– 62:55 – Breaking things down into “next steps” allows for successive action and, ultimately, accomplishment

– 66:30 – _The last responsible moment_

– 68:52 – The _outcome_: what happens when it’s not clear or it changes?

– 69:51 – “_There are no problems, there are only projects_”

– 72:10 – Interruptions are not _inherently_ a negative

**7 Key Points:**

1. Creating an external brain is no longer an option, it is a necessity

2. Stress-addiction is a limiting disease

3. “_Your head is for **having** ideas, not **holding** them_”

4. “_Passion is highly overrated_”

5. Embrace “inbox-zero” whether it’s digital or off-line

6. “_There are no interruptions, there are only mismanaged inputs_”

7. “_There are no problems, there are only projects_”

**Resources Mentioned:**

– [Getting Things Done](http://gettingthingsdone.com/) – The brain child of _Getting Things Done_

– [WittyParrot](http://www.wittyparrot.com/) – A cloud based SaaS business focused on enabling communication and collaboration

– [Shortcut](http://www.getshortcut.co/) – A new app for on-demand haircuts

– [Bulletproof Coffee Warning](http://rebootedbody.com/bulletproof-coffee-warning/) – An article discussing three potential health risks with Bulletproof Coffee

– [Smappee](http://www.smappee.com/us/) – A new tool designed to help people measure home energy consumption and production

– [Homeboy](https://www.homeboy.com/) – A wifi-enabled home security tool

– [Darma](http://darma.co/) – A smart cushion designed to monitor posture, sitting habits and stress levels ——- [Get the FREE Optimize, Automate, Outsource Blueprint here.](https://go.lessdoing.com/blueprint?utm_campaign=blueprint-ari&utm_medium=link&utm_source=podcast) — Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/lessdoing/message